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	== Possible variations ==		== Possible variations ==

	Just like the [[anti-contact]] ideology, pro-contact beliefs are a spectrum. Some people who identify as pro-contact believe in a total abolition of the age of consent and the possibility of moral and consensual sexual relationships with babies. Some identify as pro-contact with only young teenagers in mind. Some believe youth age gap relationships are okay to participate in right now, some believe they should be avoided till a more equal and safe society is built. ~~</br>~~		Just like the [[anti-contact]] ideology, pro-contact beliefs are a spectrum. Some people who identify as pro-contact believe in a total abolition of the age of consent and the possibility of moral and consensual sexual relationships with babies. Some identify as pro-contact with only young teenagers in mind. Some believe youth age gap relationships are okay to participate in right now, some believe they should be avoided till a more equal and safe society is built.

	People who have questions and doubts about the fairness of existing laws are often pushed to identify as pro-contact by [[Mapmisia\|mapmisiacs]], as well as by radicals of the anti-contact movement.		People who have questions and doubts about the fairness of existing laws are often pushed to identify as pro-contact by [[Mapmisia\|mapmisiacs]], as well as by radicals of the anti-contact movement.

	== ~~Common misconceptions~~ ==		=== Xenosatanism ===
			'''Xenosatanism''' is a subcategory of pro-c ideology that's founded on the belief that trauma and other potential harmful effects of nonconsensual sexual experiences (youth age gap and not only) are predominantly the society's fault, and therefore consent is not as important as it is believed.

	~~=== Pro~~ abuse ~~===~~		<blockquote>
			* Destigmatization and desacralization to some extent of rape, molestation, sexual abuse (bcs of a priori and retrospective harm induced by internalized social norms. Tho, we don’t want harmful rape to be fully legal)
			* depending on the case, non-consensual but harmless sexual interaction should be legal, and not stigmatized</blockquote>
			- The original xenosatanism carrd<ref>[https://archive.ph/nOZ1d xenosatanism5] via archive.today.</ref>

	"Pro contact is pro abuse" was a popular radical anti-contact slogan on 2020 map Twitter. It conveyed the anti-contact view of youth age gap relationships correctly, but created a wrong impression that pro-contact people as a whole do not care about boundaries or health of children. In reality, ~~both sides in contact discourse~~ describe themselves as caring about ~~children~~.		This concept was originally coined in November 2021 on Tumblr as '''political satanism'''<ref>[https://archive.ph/7t43d centaurus2087 on "political satanism"], via archive.today.</ref>. Other names it may appear under include '''cynosatanism'''.

			Xenosatanists were noticed referencing Newgon<ref>[https://archive.ph/IDliS xenosatanism69] via archive.today, where the pentagram element links to the Newgon Wiki.</ref>, supporting sexual acts with babies<ref>[https://archive.ph/lg0du stuprator-jester-tender] via archive.today.</ref>, promoting misogyny<ref>[https://archive.ph/hunxK xenosatanism69] via archive.today, "the period is why you're wrong".</ref>.

			Since creation of xenosatanism, several pro-contacts were inspired to make even more openly anti-consent labels, such as '''basedqueer'''<ref>[https://archive.ph/ovep0 Basedqueer] via archive.today.</ref> and '''alternatefreak'''<ref>[https://archive.ph/KRi6d Alternatefreak] via archive.today.</ref>.

			== Controversies and misconceptions ==

			=== Pro abuse? ===

			"Pro contact is pro abuse" was a popular radical anti-contact slogan on 2020 map Twitter. It conveyed the anti-contact view of youth age gap relationships correctly, but created a wrong impression that pro-contact people as a whole do not care about boundaries or health of children. In reality, pro-contacts that are not aligned with xenosatainsim tend to describe themselves as caring about consent and overall anti-abuse.

	=== Predatory behavior ===		=== Predatory behavior ===
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	=== "SOMAP" ===		=== "SOMAP" ===

	SOMAP, an abbreviation standing for "semi-offending ~~MAP~~," is a troll term coined by a confirmed anti<ref>Starfall System [star-fall-system]. (2018, Jun. 18). <em>as much as I hate pedos, I have to tell you that pinkpetal-pedo isn't an actual map. its a troll account made by an anti to try and garner support from the map community.</em> [Post]. Tumblr. Retrieved May 13, 2022, from [https://star-fall-system.tumblr.com/post/175021329787/as-much-as-i-hate-pedos-i-have-to-tell-you-that https://star-fall-system.tumblr.com/post/175021329787/]</ref> who ran the fake MAP blog pinkpetal-pedo<ref>Retrieved May 13, 2022, from [https://archive.ph/xG8Fx https://archive.ph/xG8Fx]</ref>. It was implied that the term denotes a ~~MAP~~ that has sex with consenting children<ref>accABANDONED. (2018, Jul. 1). SOMAP. In <em>Urban Dictionary</em>. [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOMAP https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOMAP]</ref>. However, real pro-contact MAPs either do not use the term "offending" to denote youth age gap relationships at all, or embrace all criminal terminology fully as a part of anti-law rebellion.		SOMAP, an abbreviation standing for "semi-offending map," is a troll term coined by a confirmed anti<ref>Starfall System [star-fall-system]. (2018, Jun. 18). <em>as much as I hate pedos, I have to tell you that pinkpetal-pedo isn't an actual map. its a troll account made by an anti to try and garner support from the map community.</em> [Post]. Tumblr. Retrieved May 13, 2022, from [https://star-fall-system.tumblr.com/post/175021329787/as-much-as-i-hate-pedos-i-have-to-tell-you-that https://star-fall-system.tumblr.com/post/175021329787/]</ref> who ran the fake MAP blog pinkpetal-pedo<ref>Retrieved May 13, 2022, from [https://archive.ph/xG8Fx https://archive.ph/xG8Fx]</ref>. It was implied that the term denotes a map that has sex with consenting children<ref>accABANDONED. (2018, Jul. 1). SOMAP. In <em>Urban Dictionary</em>. [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOMAP https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOMAP]</ref>. However, real pro-contact MAPs either do not use the term "offending" to denote youth age gap relationships at all, or embrace all criminal terminology fully as a part of anti-law rebellion.

	== Criticism ==		== Criticism ==
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	=== Normalization and bigotry ===		=== Normalization and bigotry ===

	Pro-contact people, more than anti-contact people, are generally more likely to regard their attractions as lying within the norm. This leads to bigotry towards other paraphilias, such as biastophilia (attraction to rape) or erotophonophilia (attraction to murder) that largely mirrors the arguments mapmisiacs have against mapness.		Pro-contact people, more than anti-contact people, are generally more likely to regard their attractions as lying within the norm. This leads to [[Newgon#Paramisia \| bigotry towards other paraphilias]], such as biastophilia (attraction to rape) or erotophonophilia (attraction to murder) that largely mirrors the arguments mapmisiacs have against mapness.

	Some pro-contact people also easily adopt amatonormativity<ref>[https://mogai.miraheze.org/wiki/Amatonormativity Amatonormativity], MOGAI Wiki.</ref> and oppose alternative forms of relationships, such as loveless or non-monogamous relationships.		Some pro-contact people also easily adopt amatonormativity<ref>[https://mogai.miraheze.org/wiki/Amatonormativity Amatonormativity], MOGAI Wiki.</ref> and oppose alternative forms of relationships, such as loveless or non-monogamous relationships.

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	~~“Pro~~-~~contact”~~, often abbreviated as "pro-c", is an ideological stance in [[contact discourse]]. It can be summed up as a belief that sexual and romantic relationships between children or young adolescents and significantly older people do not carry any inherent risks and are permissible.		'''Pro-contact''', often abbreviated as '''pro-c''', is an ideological stance in [[contact discourse]]. It can be summed up as a belief that sexual and romantic relationships between children or young adolescents and significantly older people do not carry any inherent risks and are permissible.

	== Possible ~~Variations~~ ==		== Possible variations ==

	Just like the [[anti-contact]] ideology, pro-contact beliefs are a spectrum. Some people who identify as pro-contact believe in a total abolition of the age of consent and the possibility of moral and consensual sexual relationships with babies. Some identify as pro-contact with only young teenagers in mind. Some believe youth age gap relationships are okay to participate in right now, some believe they should be avoided till a more equal and safe society is built. </br>		Just like the [[anti-contact]] ideology, pro-contact beliefs are a spectrum. Some people who identify as pro-contact believe in a total abolition of the age of consent and the possibility of moral and consensual sexual relationships with babies. Some identify as pro-contact with only young teenagers in mind. Some believe youth age gap relationships are okay to participate in right now, some believe they should be avoided till a more equal and safe society is built. </br>
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	People who have questions and doubts about the fairness of existing laws are often pushed to identify as pro-contact by [[Mapmisia\|mapmisiacs]], as well as by radicals of the anti-contact movement.		People who have questions and doubts about the fairness of existing laws are often pushed to identify as pro-contact by [[Mapmisia\|mapmisiacs]], as well as by radicals of the anti-contact movement.

	== Common ~~Misconceptions~~ ==		== Common misconceptions ==

	=== ~~“Pro Abuse”~~ ===		=== Pro abuse ===

	~~“Pro~~ contact is pro ~~abuse”~~ was a popular radical anti-contact slogan in 2020. It conveyed the anti-contact view of youth age gap relationships correctly, but created a wrong impression that pro-contact people as a whole do not care about boundaries or health of children. In reality, both sides in contact discourse describe themselves as caring about children.		"Pro contact is pro abuse" was a popular radical anti-contact slogan on 2020 map Twitter. It conveyed the anti-contact view of youth age gap relationships correctly, but created a wrong impression that pro-contact people as a whole do not care about boundaries or health of children. In reality, both sides in contact discourse describe themselves as caring about children.

	=== Predatory ~~Behavior~~ ===		=== Predatory behavior ===

	It is believed that all or most pro-contact individuals are actively seeking CSAM/CSEM or relationships with young people. In reality, most separate their ideology and what they believe to be a reasonable course of action. J. Michael Bailey, a researcher of sexuality, reports that "permissive attitudes regarding child-adult sex and frequent indulgence in sexual fantasies about children were not significantly related to offending"<ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27732028/ Bailey, J. & Bernhard, Paula & Hsu, Kevin. (2016). An Internet Study of Men Sexually Attracted to Children: Correlates of Sexual Offending Against Children]. Journal of Abnormal Psychology. 125. 989-1000. 10.1037/abn0000213. Download full PDF https://zero.sci-hub.se/6068/a879c2e6a44e128fc440fba4e152fbd6/bailey2016.pdf.</ref>.		It is believed that all or most pro-contact individuals are actively seeking CSAM/CSEM or relationships with young people. In reality, most separate their ideology and what they believe to be a reasonable course of action. J. Michael Bailey, a researcher of sexuality, reports that "permissive attitudes regarding child-adult sex and frequent indulgence in sexual fantasies about children were not significantly related to offending"<ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27732028/ Bailey, J. & Bernhard, Paula & Hsu, Kevin. (2016). An Internet Study of Men Sexually Attracted to Children: Correlates of Sexual Offending Against Children]. Journal of Abnormal Psychology. 125. 989-1000. 10.1037/abn0000213. Download full PDF https://zero.sci-hub.se/6068/a879c2e6a44e128fc440fba4e152fbd6/bailey2016.pdf.</ref>.
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	== Criticism ==		== Criticism ==

	=== Normalization ~~And Bigotry~~ ===		=== Normalization and bigotry ===

	Pro-contact people, more than anti-contact people, are generally more likely to regard their attractions as lying within the norm. This leads to bigotry towards other paraphilias, such as biastophilia (attraction to rape) or erotophonophilia (attraction to murder) that largely mirrors the arguments mapmisiacs have against mapness. ~~</br>~~		Pro-contact people, more than anti-contact people, are generally more likely to regard their attractions as lying within the norm. This leads to bigotry towards other paraphilias, such as biastophilia (attraction to rape) or erotophonophilia (attraction to murder) that largely mirrors the arguments mapmisiacs have against mapness.

	Some pro-contact people also easily adopt amatonormativity<ref>[https://mogai.miraheze.org/wiki/Amatonormativity Amatonormativity], MOGAI Wiki.</ref> and oppose alternative forms of relationships, such as loveless or non-monogamous relationships.		Some pro-contact people also easily adopt amatonormativity<ref>[https://mogai.miraheze.org/wiki/Amatonormativity Amatonormativity], MOGAI Wiki.</ref> and oppose alternative forms of relationships, such as loveless or non-monogamous relationships.

	=== Renaming ~~Attempts~~ ===		=== Renaming attempts ===

	Some activists tried change the core word of contact discourse (i.e. ~~“contact”~~) and claim ~~“pro c”~~ and ~~“anti c”~~ does not stand for ~~“pro~~-~~contact”~~ and ~~“anti~~-~~contact”~~.~~</br>~~		Some activists tried change the core word of contact discourse (i.e. "contact") and claim "pro c" and "anti c" does not stand for "pro-contact" and "anti-contact".

	The most known case refers to the word [[pro-consent]], a neologism ~~made up~~ by antis and adopted by a pro-contact activist in 2020.~~</br>~~		The most known case refers to the word [[pro-consent]], a neologism spread by antis and adopted by a pro-contact activist in 2020.
	~~Another slightly older occasion (as early as 2008) is "pro-choice". On the rise of abortion debates in USA (late 2021/early 2022) pro-contact activists from [[Newgon]] have picked it up again.</br>~~

	~~On both occasions, this renaming resulted in some people referring to anti-contact people~~ as ~~“anti-consent” and “anti-choice”, which~~ is ~~why these terms are controversial. The controversy could have been avoided by using a term that cannot be abbreviated as~~ "pro ~~c", such as "freedom of~~ choice"~~, coined in~~ the ~~4th issue~~ of ~~the AliceLovers Magazine<ref>~~[~~https://visionsofalice.net/ezine.htm AliceLovers Magazine~~]~~, via Visions of Alice.</ref>~~.		Another slightly older occasion (as early as 2008) is "pro-choice". On the rise of abortion debates in USA (late 2021/early 2022) pro-contact activists from [[Newgon]] have picked it up again.

	~~== Prominent Groups ==~~		On both occasions, this renaming resulted in some people referring to anti-contact people as "anti-consent" and "anti-choice", which is why these terms are controversial. The controversy could have been avoided by using a term that cannot be abbreviated as "pro c", such as "freedom of choice", coined in the 4th issue of the AliceLovers Magazine<ref>[https://visionsofalice.net/ezine.htm AliceLovers Magazine], via Visions of Alice.</ref>.

	Besides Newgon, Open Map Community<ref>[https://www.mapcommunity.org/ OMC].</ref> is a group, popular among pro-contacts. Older ~~MAP~~ platforms, such as BoyChat<ref>[https://boychat.org/ BoyChat].</ref> and GirlChat<ref>[https://annabelleigh.net/ GirlChat].</ref>, as well as Visions of Alice<ref>[https://visionsofalice.net/ Visions of Alice].</ref> also tend to have a pro-contact majority. It's worth to note that exclusively pro-contact groups and forums are rare.		== Prominent groups ==

			Besides Newgon, Open Map Community<ref>[https://www.mapcommunity.org/ OMC].</ref> is a group, popular among pro-contacts. Older map platforms, such as BoyChat<ref>[https://boychat.org/ BoyChat].</ref> and GirlChat<ref>[https://annabelleigh.net/ GirlChat].</ref>, as well as Visions of Alice<ref>[https://visionsofalice.net/ Visions of Alice].</ref> also tend to have a pro-contact majority. It's worth to note that exclusively pro-contact groups and forums are rare.

	== References ==		== References ==

	[[Category:Contact stances]]		[[Category:Contact stances]]
			[[Category:Original pages]]

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“Pro-contact”, often abbreviated as "pro-c", is an ideological stance in [[contact discourse]]. It can be summed up as a belief that sexual and romantic relationships between children or young adolescents and significantly older people do not carry any inherent risks and are permissible.

== Possible Variations ==

Just like the [[anti-contact]] ideology, pro-contact beliefs are a spectrum. Some people who identify as pro-contact believe in a total abolition of the age of consent and the possibility of moral and consensual sexual relationships with babies. Some identify as pro-contact with only young teenagers in mind. Some believe youth age gap relationships are okay to participate in right now, some believe they should be avoided till a more equal and safe society is built. 

People who have questions and doubts about the fairness of existing laws are often pushed to identify as pro-contact by [[Mapmisia|mapmisiacs]], as well as by radicals of the anti-contact movement.

== Common Misconceptions ==

=== “Pro Abuse” ===

“Pro contact is pro abuse” was a popular radical anti-contact slogan in 2020. It conveyed the anti-contact view of youth age gap relationships correctly, but created a wrong impression that pro-contact people as a whole do not care about boundaries or health of children. In reality, both sides in contact discourse describe themselves as caring about children.

=== Predatory Behavior ===

It is believed that all or most pro-contact individuals are actively seeking CSAM/CSEM or relationships with young people. In reality, most separate their ideology and what they believe to be a reasonable course of action. J. Michael Bailey, a researcher of sexuality, reports that "permissive attitudes regarding child-adult sex and frequent indulgence in sexual fantasies about children were not significantly related to offending"<ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27732028/ Bailey, J. & Bernhard, Paula & Hsu, Kevin. (2016). An Internet Study of Men Sexually Attracted to Children: Correlates of Sexual Offending Against Children]. Journal of Abnormal Psychology. 125. 989-1000. 10.1037/abn0000213. Download full PDF https://zero.sci-hub.se/6068/a879c2e6a44e128fc440fba4e152fbd6/bailey2016.pdf.</ref>.

=== "SOMAP" ===

SOMAP, an abbreviation standing for "semi-offending MAP," is a troll term coined by a confirmed anti<ref>Starfall System [star-fall-system]. (2018, Jun. 18). as much as I hate pedos, I have to tell you that pinkpetal-pedo isn't an actual map. its a troll account made by an anti to try and garner support from the map community. [Post]. Tumblr. Retrieved May 13, 2022, from [https://star-fall-system.tumblr.com/post/175021329787/as-much-as-i-hate-pedos-i-have-to-tell-you-that https://star-fall-system.tumblr.com/post/175021329787/]</ref> who ran the fake MAP blog pinkpetal-pedo<ref>Retrieved May 13, 2022, from [https://archive.ph/xG8Fx https://archive.ph/xG8Fx]</ref>. It was implied that the term denotes a MAP that has sex with consenting children<ref>accABANDONED. (2018, Jul. 1). SOMAP. In Urban Dictionary. [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOMAP https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOMAP]</ref>. However, real pro-contact MAPs either do not use the term "offending" to denote youth age gap relationships at all, or embrace all criminal terminology fully as a part of anti-law rebellion.

== Criticism ==

=== Normalization And Bigotry ===

Pro-contact people, more than anti-contact people, are generally more likely to regard their attractions as lying within the norm. This leads to bigotry towards other paraphilias, such as biastophilia (attraction to rape) or erotophonophilia (attraction to murder) that largely mirrors the arguments mapmisiacs have against mapness. 

Some pro-contact people also easily adopt amatonormativity<ref>[https://mogai.miraheze.org/wiki/Amatonormativity Amatonormativity], MOGAI Wiki.</ref> and oppose alternative forms of relationships, such as loveless or non-monogamous relationships.

=== Renaming Attempts ===

Some activists tried change the core word of contact discourse (i.e. “contact”) and claim “pro c” and “anti c” does not stand for “pro-contact” and “anti-contact”.

The most known case refers to the word [[pro-consent]], a neologism made up by antis and adopted by a pro-contact activist in 2020.
Another slightly older occasion (as early as 2008) is "pro-choice". On the rise of abortion debates in USA (late 2021/early 2022) pro-contact activists from [[Newgon]] have picked it up again.

On both occasions, this renaming resulted in some people referring to anti-contact people as “anti-consent” and “anti-choice”, which is why these terms are controversial. The controversy could have been avoided by using a term that cannot be abbreviated as "pro c", such as "freedom of choice", coined in the 4th issue of the AliceLovers Magazine<ref>[https://visionsofalice.net/ezine.htm AliceLovers Magazine], via Visions of Alice.</ref>.

== Prominent Groups ==

Besides Newgon, Open Map Community<ref>[https://www.mapcommunity.org/ OMC].</ref> is a group, popular among pro-contacts. Older MAP platforms, such as BoyChat<ref>[https://boychat.org/ BoyChat].</ref> and GirlChat<ref>[https://annabelleigh.net/ GirlChat].</ref>, as well as Visions of Alice<ref>[https://visionsofalice.net/ Visions of Alice].</ref> also tend to have a pro-contact majority. It's worth to note that exclusively pro-contact groups and forums are rare.

== References ==

[[Category:Contact stances]]